Post by Jack on Apr 24, 2008 16:54:02 GMT
Right, well I agree with some of the points that the teachers have made. The fact that it's not just the hours at the school, but also hours marking work, preparing lessons etc.
However, this is causing people to lose, which may be a critical day in their education. Teachers also have a lot of holiday, far more than the average worker and therefore is this not compensating for the time that they spend marking work and preparing lessons?
I think it's the wrong time of the year if teachers are going to have a strike. Exams are nearly upon us, if they were to do it then they could've had it at a time where it's not going to be so crucial that they were there.
I don't agree with the strike, yes teachers do have extra work to do, however they also get alot of benefits as well and therefore they should take that into account.
Source BBC
About a third of schools in England and Wales have been disrupted by the first national teachers' strike in 21 years.
The walkout by thousands of teachers has closed or partially closed up to 8,000 schools, forcing working parents to stay at home or find childcare.
The National Union of Teachers (NUT) is staging more than 50 rallies, as members demand a 4.1% pay rise rather than the 2.45% on offer.
Gordon Brown has described the strike as "unfortunate and regrettable".
This one-day strike, condemned by all the main political parties, is the opening move in what the NUT says will be a long-term campaign over pay.
Christine Blower, acting general secretary of the NUT, said she could not rule out further pay strikes in the months ahead.
"It is not in my gift to give that guarantee," she told the BBC.
It was estimated that more than 2.5m pupils were affected by Thursday's strike - with more than a million forced to stay at home. Many are studying for GCSE examinations which start next month.
The prime minister said the strike had been called by a "minority" of teachers, and said it was regrettable for both pupils and parents.
Mr Brown added: "I hope we can move forward in the next few months and get a sure settlement of this."
Further education colleges in England were also disrupted, as members of the University and College Union (UCU) walked out in protest at their pay settlement.
Hundreds of college departments were closed, and prison education departments were also affected.
As the day of action began, teachers formed picket lines outside schools. Many held banners aloft bearing slogans such as "Where's the money, Darling?" - calling on the chancellor to make more funds available for their pay award.
Other teachers handed out leaflets to parents to explain why they were on strike.
In London, police estimated that more than 6,000 teachers and other public sector workers had marched to a rally in Westminster.
More than 1,000 people gathered for a rally in Birmingham's Victoria Square, where a band played a song from the 1984 miners' strike, "I'd rather be a picket than a scab".
Other rallies were staged in Manchester, Liverpool, Preston, Bolton, Leeds, Newcastle, Sheffield, Hull, Cardiff and Wrexham.
The disruption includes:
In Liverpool, the NUT said just seven out of 194 schools were fully open
In Cumbria, more than 90 schools are shut and 53 are partially closed
In Birmingham, the largest local education authority in the UK, 160 schools are affected
In Wales, half of schools (900) are shut or partially shut
In Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire, more than 170 schools are either closed or partially shut
Widespread disruption is also expected to affect schools in Leeds, Manchester, Suffolk, Nottinghamshire and inner London
But many other schools, where teachers were not members of the NUT, remained unaffected.
The NASUWT, the National Association of Headteachers and the Association of Teachers and Lecturers have accepted the pay review body recommendations, and will not be taking industrial action.
Experts said the strike would have wider implications for the economy, with many working parents forced to stay at home to look after children
Sally Low, from the British Chambers of Commerce, estimated businesses could lose at least £68m in lost working hours, plus the additional disruption of having to fill in behind absent staff.
The government's three-year pay deal for teachers is worth 2.45% this year, and then increases of 2.3% in the following years.
The NUT says the offer represents an erosion of teachers' earnings, and risks adversely affecting the recruitment of quality staff.
Ms Blower said: "What we're saying to the government is, if you really do value teachers, then make sure that they're paid at least at the level of inflation - which we take to be the RPI, which is 4.1%."
Pay battle
Teachers say although pay had gone up in the past, recent wage settlements were causing it to lag again.
One - Lesley Auger, who has taught for 30 years - said: "We have been paid well but we have had to face three years of low pay rises and we are now looking at the prospect of another three years of the same."
But ministers maintain teachers are rewarded adequately, and that parents would feel little sympathy for their demands.
They called on the NUT to respect the view of the independent pay review body, which recommended the 2.45% pay award.
"I think parents are bewildered because they hear that the average teacher earns about £34,000," said schools minister Jim Knight.
"Their pay has gone up by 19% in real terms since 1997 and that at 2.45% they're getting more than the 2% benchmark for public sector pay last year and that it's a reasonable deal."
"I share the anger of parents who see the children missing out on education so close to their exams."
Conservative schools spokesman Nick Gibb said it was "deeply regrettable" so many children would have their education disrupted by this strike, particularly those with important exams coming up.
Liberal Democrat school spokesman David Laws said that teachers should have a no-strike agreement.
"Given the importance of education, we should be trying to move to a presumption that teaching unions will not take strike action," he said.
However, this is causing people to lose, which may be a critical day in their education. Teachers also have a lot of holiday, far more than the average worker and therefore is this not compensating for the time that they spend marking work and preparing lessons?
I think it's the wrong time of the year if teachers are going to have a strike. Exams are nearly upon us, if they were to do it then they could've had it at a time where it's not going to be so crucial that they were there.
I don't agree with the strike, yes teachers do have extra work to do, however they also get alot of benefits as well and therefore they should take that into account.
Source BBC
About a third of schools in England and Wales have been disrupted by the first national teachers' strike in 21 years.
The walkout by thousands of teachers has closed or partially closed up to 8,000 schools, forcing working parents to stay at home or find childcare.
The National Union of Teachers (NUT) is staging more than 50 rallies, as members demand a 4.1% pay rise rather than the 2.45% on offer.
Gordon Brown has described the strike as "unfortunate and regrettable".
This one-day strike, condemned by all the main political parties, is the opening move in what the NUT says will be a long-term campaign over pay.
Christine Blower, acting general secretary of the NUT, said she could not rule out further pay strikes in the months ahead.
"It is not in my gift to give that guarantee," she told the BBC.
It was estimated that more than 2.5m pupils were affected by Thursday's strike - with more than a million forced to stay at home. Many are studying for GCSE examinations which start next month.
The prime minister said the strike had been called by a "minority" of teachers, and said it was regrettable for both pupils and parents.
Mr Brown added: "I hope we can move forward in the next few months and get a sure settlement of this."
Further education colleges in England were also disrupted, as members of the University and College Union (UCU) walked out in protest at their pay settlement.
Hundreds of college departments were closed, and prison education departments were also affected.
As the day of action began, teachers formed picket lines outside schools. Many held banners aloft bearing slogans such as "Where's the money, Darling?" - calling on the chancellor to make more funds available for their pay award.
Other teachers handed out leaflets to parents to explain why they were on strike.
In London, police estimated that more than 6,000 teachers and other public sector workers had marched to a rally in Westminster.
More than 1,000 people gathered for a rally in Birmingham's Victoria Square, where a band played a song from the 1984 miners' strike, "I'd rather be a picket than a scab".
Other rallies were staged in Manchester, Liverpool, Preston, Bolton, Leeds, Newcastle, Sheffield, Hull, Cardiff and Wrexham.
The disruption includes:
In Liverpool, the NUT said just seven out of 194 schools were fully open
In Cumbria, more than 90 schools are shut and 53 are partially closed
In Birmingham, the largest local education authority in the UK, 160 schools are affected
In Wales, half of schools (900) are shut or partially shut
In Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire, more than 170 schools are either closed or partially shut
Widespread disruption is also expected to affect schools in Leeds, Manchester, Suffolk, Nottinghamshire and inner London
But many other schools, where teachers were not members of the NUT, remained unaffected.
The NASUWT, the National Association of Headteachers and the Association of Teachers and Lecturers have accepted the pay review body recommendations, and will not be taking industrial action.
Experts said the strike would have wider implications for the economy, with many working parents forced to stay at home to look after children
Sally Low, from the British Chambers of Commerce, estimated businesses could lose at least £68m in lost working hours, plus the additional disruption of having to fill in behind absent staff.
The government's three-year pay deal for teachers is worth 2.45% this year, and then increases of 2.3% in the following years.
The NUT says the offer represents an erosion of teachers' earnings, and risks adversely affecting the recruitment of quality staff.
Ms Blower said: "What we're saying to the government is, if you really do value teachers, then make sure that they're paid at least at the level of inflation - which we take to be the RPI, which is 4.1%."
Pay battle
Teachers say although pay had gone up in the past, recent wage settlements were causing it to lag again.
One - Lesley Auger, who has taught for 30 years - said: "We have been paid well but we have had to face three years of low pay rises and we are now looking at the prospect of another three years of the same."
But ministers maintain teachers are rewarded adequately, and that parents would feel little sympathy for their demands.
They called on the NUT to respect the view of the independent pay review body, which recommended the 2.45% pay award.
"I think parents are bewildered because they hear that the average teacher earns about £34,000," said schools minister Jim Knight.
"Their pay has gone up by 19% in real terms since 1997 and that at 2.45% they're getting more than the 2% benchmark for public sector pay last year and that it's a reasonable deal."
"I share the anger of parents who see the children missing out on education so close to their exams."
Conservative schools spokesman Nick Gibb said it was "deeply regrettable" so many children would have their education disrupted by this strike, particularly those with important exams coming up.
Liberal Democrat school spokesman David Laws said that teachers should have a no-strike agreement.
"Given the importance of education, we should be trying to move to a presumption that teaching unions will not take strike action," he said.
